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blackink — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:59:10 -0000

I think you're right. When I told folks that I wasn't feeling "Pretty Wings," at all, it damn near felt like blasphemy.

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Gureala — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:01:46 -0000

Ha. I swear I must be the only person diggin' this new Mos album from top to bottom.

True, the beats are a bit random and difficult to grasp at times. And there's also the fact that this isn't the BOBS era Mos than many of us still desperately wish to hear from again. Yet these shortcomings somehow manage to make the album into a fine, honest piece of work.

It sort of reminds me of a blog...the randomness, the honesty, the politics...I dig it.

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Doctor Jay — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:10:42 -0000

Fie on your mayo! Cucumber sandwiches for the win!

(Mayo on fries? That's better known as heart-attack-in-a-convenient-disposable-tray.)

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Jonathan — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:34:28 -0000

That's what I'm saying dog! Rapperdudes and their Cold Play and John Mayer and sh*t.

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Joel — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:15 -0000

Phoenix used to play as the backing band for Air. No kidding. Listen to the "Kelly Watch the Stars" edit -- the one where the band is featured heavily. Great version. Also the Moog Cookbook remix is fantastic.

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Leee — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:09:27 -0000

YYY hardly qualify as the worst. Coldplay, and the strangely elevated rep they enjoy among hip-hop producers, on the other hand...

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bertie — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:52:55 -0000

So true Ulysses. I was in my 20s before I realized that miracle whip wasn't what others considered mayo. This knowledge and a trust fund are the two biggest things my parents failed to give me.

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Bluestatewatchdog — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:38:46 -0000

Phoenix is that band! Love their music, great rhythm and musicianship.

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eric k — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:38:16 -0000

ketchup mixed with mayo is poor man's french dressing.

Heck my grandmother who of course lived through the depression sill makes it that way even though she is well into upper middle class if not rich tax brackets.

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Rillion — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:34:33 -0000

I was one of those kids that was brought up never knowing that Miracle Whip was not mayo. It was not until I left and was at college that I discovered I had been lied to. Now nothing but Best Foods/Hellmans will do. Although I have now developed a fondness for mixing it with some BBQ sauce.

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Bill L. — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:16:53 -0000

It's quite common in Utah. Ask for "fry sauce"--it's just mayo with some ketchup mixed in.

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Jonathan — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:08:52 -0000

This is how black people will punish us for stealing rock music: by overvaluing the worst of what we've done with it. There, fixed.

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Shawn — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:58:26 -0000

They'll make mayo-eaters out of everyone of us, yet. Or maybe just me...

Maybe you can one of those watches with the secret hot-sauce compartment that Eddie Griffin used in "Undercover Brother."

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Liza — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:00 -0000

Yeah, potato salad AND cole slaw, tuna salad, chicken salad, egg salad, deviled eggs, just to name a few of the most common uses.

I make some very decent fish tacos by breading and pan frying tilapia (in canola), chopping some cabbage, then mix 1 part ketchup to 1 part mayo for the sauce and put it all on warmed corn tortilla. Use a low fat mayo, but not Miracle Whip.

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Marco Rogers — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:54:09 -0000

Gotta agree on the Mos Def album.

Good Rap = Good Rhymes + Good Beats

(Notice I didn't say good Hip Hop. I don't wanna get into that debate.)

Clearly one can bolster the other (or most of today's rappers would be out of a job), but they have to mesh on some level. I understand Mos is trying to get us to expand their horizons in terms of music. But I keep running into this dissonance when trying to listen to MCing over tracks that aren't the more traditional kind. Common is going the same way. His last album is basically a pop album with him rhyming over it. It just doesn't work for me.

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uvasig — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:42:49 -0000

There's a great melding of the musical styles on the Discovery LP: imagine some indie rock kids (like, for instance, a member of Vampire Weekend) got together, bought themselves an auto tune, dabbled in some electric beats and mixed together their pop sensibilities and made an album. It would sound like this (and have a fresh - and timely - cover of the Jackson 5's "I Want You Back").

Dig it...it might be your summer soundtrack:

Discovery on MySpace

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thatgirl_b — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:37:22 -0000

loooved the Madlib beat with the Bollywood strings on that one with Slick Rick...

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dmf — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:34:24 -0000

may be just a sign of my age but it seems to me that ironically when sampling started to die so did much of the creativity in the music/beats. whose got the jazz?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-4GFV7uTE

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Ulysses (not yet home) — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:22 -0000

Thank you Bertie, for correctly noting that in our community, the condiment ingredient of potato salad is actually Miracle Whip instead of Mayo. This is nearly universal to the degree that there are entire generations who are unaware that "mayonaise" and Miracle Whip are in fact different. Many of us, never having tasted actual mayonaise until adulthood, find its taste off-putting but still use the terms interchangeably.

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Jamilah — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:33:19 -0000

I'm with you on Maxwell. It is depressing album and I'm disappointed because I was really looking forward to his comeback.

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Persia — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:24:14 -0000

But mayo on fries is so good.

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bertie — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:20:38 -0000

Are we talking mayo mayo or does miracle whip count? On Mos, the album is womp womp (with the exception of Casa Bey, which is fire). DOn't know anything about the YYYs--but I recently got turned on to the band Pheonix and have been banging them steadily all summer.

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eric k — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:20:03 -0000

Nah, its simply a French thing, I've never seen Mayo on fries anywhere but France, Belguim or former French colonies.

And of course pretentious places in the US that are pretending to be French:-)

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Joel — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:17:10 -0000

I hate fucking jar mayonnaise. Homemade FTW.

Also worthless are prepared sandwiches with mayonnaise already in it, where it makes the bread all soggy and disgusting. Whoever invented that idea needs some detention time.

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eric k — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:16:20 -0000

I used to be totally anti mayo on sandwiches too (except BLTs) but have found two really good variations:

Our local pub chain in Oregon (McMenamins) has a turkey and swiss sandwich with Mayo and Cranberry sauce, great combo. The other one is Trader Joes sometimes has a Mayo-Wasabi combo, that is awesome on a roast beef sandwich.