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Buddy Toledo — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:31:07 -0000

Do teams get to keep most of the merchandising money? I think so. And if so, that's probably what this deal is about. Ralph Wilson thinks he can get paid, and that is easier to do with a preexisting star than by building a team.

One correction to a commenter - the Steelers need wide-outs. Not that we would ever sign T.O., but our number 3 and number 4 wide receiver have less than 10 catches. And Hines Ward is getting old.

As a Steelers fan, I know which side I'm supposed to be on in the deep threat vs. complete wide-out debate. After all, Hines is the most complete wide-out to play the game. But there is a reason that the Steelers have been searching for the deep threat instead of a Hines Jr. for the last decade - the roles are complementary and different and shouldn't be compared.

Of course, I understand that the media is always hyping up the deep threat, so a lot of the voices for the complete wide-out feel forced to make their points.

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dragnet — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:45:22 -0000

Owens in Buffalo just maybe perfect for everyone involved. Owens gets to be the big man and media star on a team of largely anonymous guys, the Bills get a badly needed offensive weapon and a chance to disturb (to an extent) the balance of power in that division, and the city gets put on the map a bit.

Oh and the rest of us get to watch the magic of an aging talent with declining skills continue his life mission of destroying as many professional ballclubs as possible. Whatever else it is, it won't be boring.

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devildownunder — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:22:04 -0000

you are right on about Wade Phillips, TNC. I don't think there is any chance he earns a ring as head coach, unless he manages to get hold of a team w/the best player in the league at about 8 diff. positions.

TO destroys locker rooms, he absolutely burns them down. And teams just can't survive that in football, where to win means sacrificing your body for your teammates all year. I will say this for the Bills though: they are doing it the only way that makes sense. They gave him a 1-year deal. He always seems to be on his best behavior that first season, then things go off the rails as his true nature emerges. We'll see what happens.

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Brien Jackson — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:40:03 -0000

I think having an over-rated quarterback, an offensive coordinator getting paind a ton of money to design high school patterns, and an owner who needs attention more than, well, Terrell Owens is probably going to continue to be a problem for Dallas. But that's just me.

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Jay — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:41:02 -0000

"Oh S&@t, Owens is on his way here to Western New York. We are soooooo, not going to have a boring year. We still won't make the playoffs, but it won't be dull."

KevDog, that says it all!

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JR Shells — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:22:00 -0000

As the biggest Cowboys fan, I am utterly happy that he is gone... but I agree with TNH -- we won't win with this soft patsy coach. Who was the last "player-friendly" coach to win the SB? You have to work your people... we have faded in the 4th quarter way too much.

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BrianSierk — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:24:36 -0000

I think he is going to have a great year. I think this is a 1 year tryout, he is going to get a 4 year contract after a great year with no drama, and whoever signs that contract will get TO at his worst, and at his last.

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KevDog — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:33:04 -0000

Oh S&@t, Owens is on his way here to Western New York. We are soooooo, not going to have a boring year. We still won't make the playoffs, but it won't be dull.

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Jay — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:21:20 -0000

The Star-Telegram article paints a classic picture of a person with narcissistic personality disorder, and this article backs it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Buffalo: consider yourselves warned.

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Anon — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:18:33 -0000

Doesn't everyone except Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder already know that team chemistry matters?

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sgwhiteinfla — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:12:13 -0000

I am not going to attest to this article being the God's honest truth but if it is I think it kinda destroys the whole "team chemistry doesn't matter" meme.

http://www.star-telegram.com/332/story/1244022.html

Of course it would help if the "anonymous sources" were willing to put their name on it.

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sgwhiteinfla — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:00:37 -0000

One year 6.5 million guaranteed supposedly. Who is even the Bill's QB? Did they finally settle on one last year? Edwards or Losman?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9306712/Sources:-T.O.,-Bills-agree-to-one-year-contract

Man this is fucking mind boggling. A 1 year deal for a team that isn't even all that close? They were ranked 11th out of 16 teams with a 7-9 record last year. All I can say is WOW. More power to them and I hope they got their popcorn ready. One side value is that he is now in the same division with Moss so we will be able to see both perform on the same field 2 times next year. Man I really don't get this one though.

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Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:42:34 -0000

You don't think the media will be hanging out in his driveway in Buffalo in December?

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Anon — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:37:56 -0000

Who knows, maybe on a team full of relative nobodies in a small media market, he will thrive.

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Jay — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:26:16 -0000

News just broke that Owens has signed with the Buffalo Bills.

THE BILLS?!?!!!

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sgwhiteinfla — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:02:37 -0000

Compare and contrast. I will leave it up to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ORjTV6N-c

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A Different Matt — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:05:39 -0000

As a niner fan I can tell you T.O. is a lot easier to appreciate playing for someone else's team.

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Stacy — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:34:29 -0000

Larry Fitzgerald is good. Andre Johnson is on his level. I'm not convinced Johnson is better, but they are the two best in the league. The Texans should be better this year. I think a lot of people are going to start to realize this about Johnson.

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sgwhiteinfla — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:25:57 -0000

A Randy Moss refresher from his Minnesota days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8sJI7PxQU

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Jamilah — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:01:52 -0000

Poor T.O., he really hasn't been the same since his grandma died. I'm sure that if she was around he wouldn't act like such a fool.

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CitizenE — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:07:23 -0000

I like wide receivers who can block downfield. The ones that can't are not complete players. They aren't.

But living in the bay area, I got a look at both of these guys. Now which is a bigger head case and more destructive--I'll grant Moss does not drain the sky, and TO after all this time should understand that insulting one's quarterback (and coach) is a big mistake. Moss is fast and he can outjump guys, but if he catches the ball 8 yards down the field, he cannot break tackles the way TO can; he can't. For me that longball game, which makes Moss who and what he is, is fool's gold football.

As far as the systems--after SF whose system went down the tubes with Mariuchi, TO went to Philly, and maybe I don't pay attention, but uh, I never have considered that a great place for wide recievers or a system for wide recievers. The Cowboys under Wade Phillips? I ask you this, what kind of system has that many great skill players perform with such weak shows, and TO has performed consistently better than all the rest there. Wade Phillips is a defensive coach. Moss, on the other hand started with Dennis Green who came via Bill Walsh and was always an offensive minded coach; the Al Davis offense was created for guys like Randy Moss, and what better system in pro football exists today than at New England?

I get that TO has worn his welcome out everywhere, and his dropsies have always been his achilles heel; I also get that Randy Moss on pure talent has TO every which way, but TO has far exceeded what he came into the NFL with and that because of his hard work, Randy Moss has barely lived up to his potential, and only in occasional years; when he was with Oakland he often skipped practice and was apathetic.

To each his own, though, and like everyone else here I'd rather have Fitzgerald, who was great on Arizona teams that were at least as bad as the Raiders when Moss was with them, than either of em.

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Anon — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:07:58 -0000

Randy Moss is the typical immature, spoiled brat NFL player, who needed taste of the wilderness and a good system to straighten him out.

TO has always been in good systems, had good coaches and good quarterbacks and he still can't behave himself. I'm telling you he has a mental problem, it isn't about being selfish or a media hog, he can't stop himself.

I never thought Randy and TO were really comparable even though their stats are similar, Moss can catch balls that NO ONE outside of Larry Fitzgerald in the league can catch. I don't think TO can touch him.

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sgwhiteinfla — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:06:34 -0000

http://www.nfl.com/players/randymoss/profile?id=MOS699912

Last year Randy Moss with a guy who hadn't started since High School had 69 catches and 11 touchdowns and just over 1000 yards. That would make him tied for 2nd in the league for most recieving TDs. And his yards per catch were better than Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and TJ Houshmandzadeh. And again taking plays off is not quitting on the team. If it was you can name a helluva lot of people who quit on their team including TO or don't you remember that interception in Pittsburg during the regular season when he stopped running his route? His numbers speak for themselves. You can say what you want but his 22 TD catches in a season speak for themselves. I totally disagree that TO is a better reciever. His routes aren't any better than TOs and the last two years you have seen a helluva lot of double moves to get TO open which is also why you saw his QBs getting sacked more. Moss doesn't need double moves to get open downfield, he still can fly. Moss actually DOES run good routes and he doesn't drop the ball. If I wanted a blocker on my team I would get a fullback. A reciever is paid to catch the ball when it is thrown to him and it isn't even close between Moss and TO in that category. For all of his running after the catch how many highlight reel catches has TO made when he had to adjust to the ball or go up and get it? Moss makes a living at that shit. We can agree to disagree on this one but I would have Moss on my team anyday. I would NEVER want TO on my team and I said so from the day JJ signed him.

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CitizenE — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:26:07 -0000

"People are trying to compare him to Moss and thats nonesensical if you ask me. Moss never blew up a team he went to. He never quit on a team."

???????

He took plays off in Minnesota and games off in Oakland. Without Brady last year, Moss was nothing special. Moss does not run precise routes and has never put up numbers with average quarterbacks.

TO doesn't quit in games; he drops passes; he lacks social skills, but he's better than Randy Moss, who basically is a jumpball wide receiver. What TO is not is Larry Fitzgerald, and so he can never live up to his own hype, but few are.

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B-Rob — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:09:25 -0000

"This American Life" had an episode called "Ruining it for the rest of us." Part 1 was about a scientific study that shows one lazy, malcontented or disruptive person can lower the productivity and performance of an entire group. T.O.: you are a divisive cancer who destroys your employers and science proves it!

http://thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1275