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Re: On Jewish Racism

scottbecker — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:06:07 -0000

Here is the problem. The international western based media engine has indoctrinated the general populations of the world into a ethno-cultural mindset aka. Frankfurt school PC to eliminate their national affinities. Your article talks about 'Irish', 'Jewish' and 'Black' but of course is void of anything 'American'. Beyond a waving flag, the only mutual element pushed in patriotism these days is militarism. At one time, this also included the basic elements of democracy as stated in the Bill of Righs. But now that is considered a 'dirty word'. When the average US citizen finally wises up and turns off the TV and goes over to visit their neighbors whatever the supposed branded identity and finds that they have more in common to talk about than the spiel on the TV, maybe then things will change for the better. But as long as we all argue about the minutia of the latest puppet regimes that are set up by essentially messianic cultural groups then we will all continue to be very dissatisfied.

Re: On Jewish Racism

scottbecker — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:01:26 -0000

Here is the problem. The international western based media engine has indoctrinated the general populations of the world into a ethno-cultural mindset aka. Frankfurt school PC to eliminate their national affinities. Your article talks about 'Irish', 'Jewish' and 'Black' but of course is void of anything 'American'. Beyond a waving flag, the only mutual element pushed in patriotism these days is militarism. At one time, this also included the basic elements of democracy. But now that is considered a 'dirty word'. When the average US citizen finally wises up and turns off the TV and goes over to visit their neighbors whatever the branded identity and finds that they have more in common to talk about, maybe then things will change for the better. But as long as we argue about the minutia of puppet regimes that are set up by messianic cultural g

Re: On Jewish Racism

scottbecker — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:01:02 -0000

Here is the problem. The international western based media engine has indoctrinated the general populations of the world into a ethno-cultural mindset aka. Frankfurt school PC to eliminate their national affinities. Your article talks about 'Irish', 'Jewish' and 'Black' but of course is void of anything 'American'. Beyond a waving flag, the only mutual element pushed in patriotism these days is militarism. At one time, this also included the basic elements of democracy. But now that is considered a 'dirty word'. When the average US citizen finally wises up and turns off the TV and goes over to visit their neighbors whatever the branded identity and finds that they have more in common to talk about, maybe then things will change for the better. But as long as we argue about the minutia of puppet regimes that are set up by messianic cultural groups with ruling agendas, everyone involved will continue to be more and more dissatisfied.

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Re: On Jewish Racism

Seamus — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:10:04 -0000

Do we elect shit to the presidency of the United States? If so, then yeah, we treat black people like shit in this country "[a]ll the time."

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coffeeandink — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:02:16 -0000

"Yenta" doesn't mean "Jewish woman." It means "matchmaker." It's a job.

I find your emphasis on the Judaism, your misuse of a Yiddish word, your inability to recognize that white kids "talking shit in bar" can indeed be racism, and your use of ad hominem slurs (the woman is racist, so it's okay to call her fat, drunk, and stupid?) all problematic. It would be really nice if a post calling out Jewish racism as typical white racism didn't get so much covert and overt anti-Semitism and/or Jewish defensiveness in the comments.

Re: On Jewish Racism

Jay — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:40:59 -0000

Gillian, tell it to Avi Maspin not me.

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gillian — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:33:24 -0000

Persia,

This is a pretty interesting interview in the Ethiopian Reporter with Dr. Nimrod Grisaru, an Israeli psychiatrist and "member of the commission set up by the government of Israel to look into the problem of the high suicide rate amongst Israelis of Ethiopian origin." In the interview he discusses the problems facing the Ethiopian community members in Israel and what the government is doing to alleviate their problems.

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gillian — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:26:04 -0000

Jay,

Listening to this video it sounds like Ehav Ever, an African American Jew living in Israel, has a different view than you.

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Jay — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:54:05 -0000

Yeah Blumenthal and Dana probably hate the Israelis and hate Jews.

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lizkdc — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:05:56 -0000

"Bright kids tend to be more sympathetic to the plight of their fellow man."

Not that I've noticed. But kids who are taught that their family is full of virtue (eg are not only "bright" but "sympathetic to the plight of their fellow man") and that they can tell all the un-bright, morally inferior people by the neighborhood they live in . . . tend to have some blinkers on of their own.

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Guest — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 18:58:30 -0000

". My kids know what it is to be a minority on a sports team or in a school. They are unfazed and understand the shoe on the other foot concept because I raised them thusly. . . .One thing they learned is that whites in white neighborhoods are

there for a reason--to be with other whites and away from the diversity which makes them feel unsafe, paranoid."

Gee, it's a good thing you brought up your kids to be open-minded.

"ignorance is bred from the fears their parents all too eagerly fed into."

That I believe.

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Bruins2Lakers — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:25:16 -0000

that sentence, which should have begun the last paragraph, should read:

"Bright kids tend to be more sympathetic to the plight of their fellow man, while the less bright feel more inclined to stay within the safety net perceived to exist in others they view to be more like them."

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Bruins2Lakers — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:19:03 -0000

I've frankly always thought it sad that people who were gassed by the milions would resort to the kind of thinking that helped create that holocaust, ostensibly, using words like "goy" "shikse,"and "schvartze." I can understand "litvak" in the sense that far too many of the Lithuanians sold their children for a chocolate bar to the Nazis, as did the poles, but what did blacks and anti-Hitler Christians have to do with it? Maybe some of it goes back to the perceptions of pope Pius who was seen as acquiescent to the Nazis and a Catholic Church that never did recind the "Christ-killer" label.

So, here you have it; on one hand, a huge Catholic church perpetuating the myth, dogma and anti-semitism, and the Jewish synagogues selling Israel bonds every High Holy Day, making martyrs of the high-rolling donors, and belittling those who could only write a check for one tree in some Israeli forest. People grew up with this dichotomy in the 50s 60s and 70s and now their kids were brought up into it, but because WWII was Granddaddy's war, they are removed from the catalyst of zionism.

I've worked with kids for over 30 years, and raised two of my own, living in every kind of diverse and not so diverse neighborhood. My kids know what it is to be a minority on a sports team or in a school. They are unfazed and understand the shoe on the other foot concept because I raised them thusly. Others have no clue.

One thing they learned is that whites in white neighborhoods are

there for a reason--to be with other whites and away from the diversity which makes them feel unsafe, paranoid. The beach communities of LA are a testament to this vapid thinking. It is an inbred ignorance, not merely oppression, that keeps manifesting this lamebrain mannekin dopeyness in these kids. They may tease a gay child into suicide or throw rocks at an Iraqi child. Their ignorance is bred from the fears their parents all too eagerly fed into.

Bright kids tend to be more sympathetic to

Re: On Jewish Racism

augustine — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:53:35 -0000

" Maybe seeing their parents and grand parents march for Civil Rights and then get rewarded by seeing many black American activists identify with the Arab side in the Arab-Israeli conflict had something to with it. "

Wow. Please flesh this sentiment out for me. Or can I pull out of my ass that those " black activists " ( talk about a loaded term ) identified with Arabs because Arabs didn't try to assassinate the first black man to win the Noble Prize ( Ralph Bunche ). Or maybe they identified with Arabs because Arabs didn't produce movies in which black people are only pimps, whores, welfare cheats, moral degenerates, and brutes out to rape white women. Should we continue along this path Dave?

Very surprised at your comments, and your defensive posture on this is puzzling. You're rationalising their racism, on the most bullshit of charges concerning black anti-semitism. A very poor effort on your part, and damn near cartoonish in the manner that you treat the tension between the black and jewish community. And it really betrays an ignorance you possess about the black community, a community that is heavily evangelical and fundemental in it's christianity and all the attendant support of Israel you would expect in that kind of theology.

Maybe Coates should stick to white folks in the south, seems to fit the narrative you are most comfortable with when he discusses racsim against against blacks. Better yet, Coates should just stop whinning about race, isn't that what you really think Dave?

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TalkieToaster2 — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:33:28 -0000

"They love the shillelaghs and the Erin Go Braghs and the green beer, and they supported Bobby Sands' hunger strike and the IRA, and they had not one damn clue what was actually going on over on the Olde Sod. "

Damn straight. As someone whose parents are both from Norn Iron, and most of whose family still lives there, it pisses me off to no end to have to hear so many so-called Irish Americans mouth off about that stuff. "Plastic Paddies", they're known as.

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Jay — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:06:40 -0000

Still racist.

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LLP — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:02:34 -0000

These pampered little Chickenhawks need to be shipped off to an Israeli boot camp ASAP, since they are so enthusiastic about war and killing Arabs.

Nothing like rich white Americans who have never seen actual suffering wailing about their "oppressed peoples" on their free Birthright Israel club med vacay. As an American Jew I am disappointed with this younger generation of Jews on so many levels...

Re: On Jewish Racism

Jay — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:56:04 -0000

Your points lack relevancy and they fail the test of accuracy. However, your attempt at rationalizing racism is duly noted and based on that your opinion is given the weight that it deserves.

However, to be clear. I said Israelis treat black jews like shit. That has nothing to do with whether or not the black jews have assimilated and everything to do with what appears to be a substantial number of racist white jews. I also said that these white kids clearly feel fully comfortable spouting racism in public and I have no doubt they would not have felt comfortable doing the same here in the US at some bar in Manhattan or Chicago.

You have failed to address any of my points and simply stated that yes, Israelis are racist, like everyone else. Oh yeah, you also blamed black Jews for how they are treated by white Jews. Nice. Pretty textbook.

Re: On Jewish Racism

John Harp — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:30:59 -0000

"This country has needed a dictatorship for a long time already. But I'm not talking about an extreme dictatorship. We need someone who can put things in order. Lieberman is the only one who speaks the truth." Adds Edan Ivanov, an 18 year old who describes himself as being "up on current events":

"We've had enough here with the 'leftist democracy' - and I put that term in quotes, don't get me wrong. People have put the dictator label on Lieberman because of the things he says. But the truth is that in Israel there can't be a full democracy when there are Arabs here who oppose it.

"All Lieberman's really saying is that anyone who isn't prepared to sign an oath of loyalty to the state, because of his personal views, cannot receive equal rights; he can't vote for the executive authority. People here are gradually coming to understand what needs to be done concerning a person who is not loyal."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061910.html

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Ta-Nehisi Coates — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:14:50 -0000

Please don't go here. It's a threadjack. Moreover, I am going to jump out a window if I see this argument rehashed again. You guys aren't going to convince each other. And it's unlikely you'll learn anything either. Let it be.

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RL — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:30:10 -0000

And by the way, April & Stacy, you've just totally ruined a perfectly good (proven completely fallacious) Eastern European immigrant bitching point. We can still complain about how the Nixon plumbers sabotaged Senator Muskie!

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RL — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:22:44 -0000

OK let's quibble. Does the silent y linguistically count as a vowel? McKinley, I'd vote the y as no vowel. Kennedy, you got me. That's a vowel sound. And unlike Coolidge, Fillmore, and Pierce, it's a sounded vowel.

Demonstrated: there are many Western European surnames indeed that do end in vowels that are not i.

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FanoftheRadioDept — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:59:35 -0000

Craig T,

How does one even entertain a more myopic view of the Arab/Israeli conflict given the hawkish nature of the Israeli government and their blatant refusal to observe International Law?

I just had a baby and my husband and I have decided that due to the 'Natural Growth' of our family, we're going to add an extension to our house that runs into our neighbor's backyard. First, we're going to ask them to provide us with proof dating back as far as the Civil War (I live in the South) that they own the land, when they're unable to provide that proof, we're going to call in the bulldozers to demolish their house. When my neighbors protest and call the cops, I'll be sure to tell them that our actions are down to the 'natural growth' of our family and suggest that they take a more myopic view of the situation.

This is the rationale behind most of Israel's apologists, quite often, it's irrational, unreasonable and based upon the notion that Israel is a theocracy and Jews have a preordained right to live there. Really? Because I thought it was a democracy where all are equal under the law. How can Israel be a Jewish nation with such a large population of Muslims? How is Israel a democracy? Do they have a constitution that enables muslims/arabs to sue for their rights? To pursue a legal and just resolution to their grievances? Or are they often left to such despair with no recourse but to strap a bomb to their bodies?

I'm often bemused when people evoke the struggles of Blacks, Jews and other minorities when speaking of the plight of Arabs in Palestine and Occupied Jerusalem. The one glaring difference being that in these cases, there were laws and precedent to help bolster the case for equal protection and equal rights under the law. Not so the Palestinians. These people have had their throats under the boots of the Israeli Jews for too long. They need justice and until they have justice then there should be no peace. What other recourse do they have, but to roll over and die without dignity?

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Stacy — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:50:59 -0000

Not to quibble, but McKinley and Kennedy also end in a vowel. And technically, so does Coolidge. But for this point, McKinley and JFK are the only ones who end in a vowel sound.