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Bruins2Lakers — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:56:19 -0000

Sorry that wasn't Meredith--I was distracted at work. I meant Medgar Evers, my bad.

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Bruins2Lakers — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:03:12 -0000

This makes my hair stand on end. It harkens back to the inflammatory rhetoric spread by right wing nut jobs all the way back to June,1963 when JFK made the historic speech on Civil Rights that incited Delabeckwith to kill James Meredith, Chrry and his pals to kill those precious four little girls at 16th St Baptist Church, and ultimately JFK himself, who walked into a firestorm of right wing venom in Texas, which had spat upon Adlai Stevenson just days previous. No way should Limbaugh anmd his ilk be allowed to fan the flames of hatred and encourage those borderline sociopaths who are one bullet away from infamy.

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JD — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:40:58 -0000

How is my saying "don't blame us" playing games, but Mike saying "blame them" is not? If someone accusses me of something it is my right, and my duty to address that.

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Deborah — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:50:09 -0000

Blogs seem to be a mix of pointing out the DHS report--specifically warned against anti-abortion violence and anti-Semitic violence--and bemoaning that people quickly made that connection. For myself, I think the connection jumps out and, after the right wing's moaning needs to be made. (Malkin et al, when DHS said "dangerous right wing extremists" why did you assume that meant YOU, and not this guy, or the guy from last week?)

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Sorn — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:47:35 -0000

IMO it fits right where it is.

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Juba — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:55:45 -0000

...and whatever other folks this maniac may have sought to target.

Didnt mean to privilege Black life as more valuable, just that a Black man was shot defending a Jewish Holocaust Museum and the thought occured to me that I had family in his area, etc.

Sorry.

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Aaron — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:45:33 -0000

Given that this was the 2nd extremist shooting that I've been aware of in as many months, I agree that we need to keep an eye on all of this. I think this shooting and the shooting of the 3 Pittsburgh police officers in April were not directly related, but were still linked by the emerging resentment and paranoia of extremist groups.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09094/960660-100.stm

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Juba — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:22:49 -0000

Yeah man my uncle teaches at UM-ES and lives there too.

Seeing where this dude lived shook me up a little.

Thank God for the safety of the Black folks in this fool's community. May God bless the soul of the departed Mr. Johns.

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gillian — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:19:32 -0000

The Jew haters on stormfront and other white supremacist websites should have a little one on one time with Yehoshua Sofer. That would shut them up real quick. Not to mention put them out of commission for a long, long time.

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BreakerBaker — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:08:53 -0000

I don't appreciate being sent to a Twitter page. I was never a big fan of Haiku either.

My initial post was clearly too flippant, but the point I was trying to make was more in reference to TNC prefacing the don't "brush this off" statement his desire not to sound paranoid. What I meant to be saying was that we should all catch our breath when discussing these isolated crimes. Both the left and the right have the habit of attaching great significance to these sorts of national stories to push their own agenda. It's exploitative and it's almost always incendiary. So, rather than brushing this off, what I am really for is for looking at this in a sober way that avoids hysterics.

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Liza — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:59:42 -0000

It is suicidal to walk into a guarded building with a rifle and start shooting. Despite his history of being a white supremacist, the guy is 88 years old. This makes me wonder if dementia were factor in what he did. How do you go from spewing hatred on your website to actually killing people in broad daylight?

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Adolphus — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:53:42 -0000

Oops! I posted that on the wrong thread. I'm an idiot.

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Adolphus — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:49:25 -0000

Not to get all history geek on people here, but TNC has been talking up John Brown a lot lately. The first person to die at Harper's Ferry was a freed slave baggage handler working for the B&O Railroad named Hayward Shepherd.

Just sayin'

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MikeCee — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:48:18 -0000

tags gone wild.... some of your best friends are ...insert minority here.... I got ya.

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MikeCee — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:47:14 -0000

hehe right, some of your best friends are . I got ya.

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eltoro — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:28:19 -0000

JD,

Fox has gotten more conservative over the years because that what its core audience (hard core movement conservatives and/or partisan Republicans) wants, which turns off whatever liberal viewers (Alan Colmes fans primarily) it may have had in the beginning. In other words, liberals don't watch Fox News because it has gotten more conservative and even more blatantly unfair and unbalanced in its reporting and presentation of debates, and we have decided not to watch it. The conservative bias on Fox is what creates Faux News jokes, not the other way around.

As for MSNBC, it has gotten more liberal in its slant in response to the increasing conservative bent of both Fox and CNN, not because conservatives are only willing to watch Fox News. Many conservatives watched Glenn Beck on CNN, and still watch people like Lou Dobbs and Nancy Grace and Wolf Blitzer and even Jon King. With Fox serving the hard Right and partisan Republican audience, and CNN serving the soft Right and moderate independents, MSNBC had to veer left to capture the Left, partisan Democrats, and liberal-leaning independents. Otherwise, it would have been redundant.

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Sorn — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:27:00 -0000

What a shame. It seems the freemen mentality is on the rise again. I feel like this is one of those "lest we forget" moments. After all no one ever said that terrorism is soley the province of Al-Qaeda. Extremism is not the province of any one group of people. Such a shame.

My heart goes out to the family of Officer Tyrone Johns and I hope the others wounded are ok. For myself this is another powerfull lesson that the tolerance, open-mindedness, and a willingness to listen are ends in an of themselves. I hope that justice will be served.

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sporcupine — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:15:20 -0000

Any one in a mood to "move beyond the reductionism of the victimology of the left" this afternoon?

Nope, not me either.

This story is part of where we live, part of who we are, and part of what we have to know. Knowing that, in our bones as well as our brains, is the only way we get strong enough to make it any better.

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BreakerBaker — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:08:55 -0000

Obviously there is great meaning and gravity in this. My point was that I am for not exploiting the victims or inflating the cultural relevance of an individual lunatic.

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Persia — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:07:20 -0000

Mediamatters and/or YouTube are your friends.

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Persia — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:06:33 -0000

I don't know. Seems to me it'd be nice if we paid more attention to violent felons with a grudge, rather than say some dumb kid with too much pot in his backyard.

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Persia — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:03:42 -0000

I dunno, I think James Lileks has it right.

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JD — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:00:23 -0000

If you wonder why Fox has gotten more conservative over the years it is because when they put less conservative or moderate people on, conservatives are less happy and liberals don't watch because they are to busy making Faux News jokes. Similarly MSNBC has drifted steadily left as conservatives stop watching anything other than Fox. If you want balance in your reporting you need to stop complaining and watch Shep on Fox, not care that it is Fox, and show them that more moderate or maybe even liberal people will be an advantage and not a liability.

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tom c — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:58:59 -0000

This murdering in cold blood sort of thing? I dunno. It seems like kind of a biggie to me.

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JD — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:53:57 -0000

Republicans are pro-Isreal to the point that liberals get mad at us for being to pro-Isreal and ignoring the needs of Arabs/Palastinians. And when Arab leaders deny the Holocost Republicans get at least as bent out of shape as Dems.

So PLEASE check yourself before you blame us for this crap.